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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Backspacing / Cuda Reply with quote

Har nettopp kjøpt en 70 Cuda og har lyst til å skifte til andre felger på bilen. Bilen har idag 15" rally wheels og noen synes helt sikkert at det er eneste riktige hjul på denne bilen. Jeg har allikevel lyst på 16" eller 17" hjul. Er det noen som har kunnskap / erfaringer om hva som passer best ift. dimensjoner og backspacing ?
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fant svar fra eit par amerikanere som driver med det samme. Legger inn data på det dei har prøvd, men går ikkje god for at du kan bruke dette sånn uten videre. Eg er så kjedelig at eg lar dei originale Rally Wheels stå på enda ei stund. Wink

Førstemann her har 71 Cuda;
Ok. Here are the rears. They are 285/45/18 Nitto 555s mounted on 18x10 rims with 5 3/4" offset. The rear end is a B-body spec Moser 60 attached with A-body XHD springs and the 3/4" relocation kit. The brakes are Baer sports sold by Year One. Beware that these brakes do not bolt on per the instructions if you have the relocation kit and B-body rear. The E-brake mechanism will hit the springs. I ended up swaping sides and mounting them on the front side of the rotor. I still might have issues with the rear sway bar. The right side has about 5/8" between the spring and tire. It also has 1/2" between the tire and quarter lip. The quarter panel on the right has been replace by someone before I got the car so your measurements might be different. The left side has 1/2" between the tire and spring with 1" between the tire and fender. I took the measurements using a plum bob and measured to the buldge of the tire. I had to do this because the car is unweighted as you can tell.
Here are the fronts. They are 245/45/17 Nitto 555s mounted on 17x8 rims with 4 1/2" offset. All I can say, is I ended up buying a tool called the Mount Mate to make sure I got the offsets correct. When I took the measurements on the front, I didn't have the torsion bars in and was able to load the front suspension to see where the tire might rub. The Mount Mate allows me to mount the tire, with out the rim and adjust the offset to where it looks good. During the process, I learned that with this tire combo, you have to have at least 4 1/2" offset to avoid rubbing the fender. Any less won't do. My stearing linkage is not in yet and should have it in this weekend, but I really don't see any issues with rubbing on the inner fender.

Nestemann her har 70 Challenger;
Rear setup is similar to NN above. 3/4 relocation kit, American Muscle shackles, B body width hub to hub, with Wilwood 4 piston rears. I ended up having a custom length and arch 6 leaf spring setup made at a local spring shop, instead of using the A body part, but you can get there either way. I had DTS build my rear end assembly complete around a Strange S60 case, Eaton Posi-Lok, Richmond gears, and Strange S/T axles with green bearings, and I highly recommend going this hub-to-hub route with a shop that stands behind their work. The only thing I left loose was the perches so I could weld them up in position once I had the stance and pinion angle setup.
My latest wheels are 17 x 7 front with 4.25" backspace and 17 x 9.5 rear with 5.5 backspace (to inside of rim bead). I have 1/4" spacers in the rear to get a little more leaf spring clearance as this wheel measures to inside of rim bead. (Note - e-body rear frame rails tolerances are notoriously askew, placing your rear perches +/- 1/4" at the rear bushings if you're lucky.) Rubber is 245/45-17 front, and 275/40-17 rear. In back, I have room for a 1/2" more rim (outside), and 3/4" more tire.
As NN describes, e-brake setup on a rear disc conversion is McGyver territory. You have to be ready to do some fabrications, chase a lot of nitsh&$t parts, etc. The Wilwood setup with a small drum brake in the rotor hat for e-brake (really a PARKING brake) uses Ford Explorer cable e-brake parts, and several hot rod parts suppliers carry them.


Kanskje du finner litt nytte og/eller inspirasjon her.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ein til uttalelse fra ein som har diverse B- og E-body biler.

Correct backspace for a 9" rim on the rear of a mopar is 5". The 8" rim is 4 1/2", the 10" rim should have a 5 1/2" backspace and the 7" rim for the front is 4 or 4 1/4". A lot of times the 10" rim requires a little massaging on the outer wheelhouse lip. Just my experience with my cars.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Det ser ut som det stemmer bra med det jeg også har funnet. Det eneste jeg kanskje har bomma litt på er backspacing foran. Felgene jeg har bestilt framme er 17x7 med 4 1/2 i backspacing. Det betyr vel at de kanskje kan komme til å ta i på innsiden og at jeg må bruke en spacer. Vi får se Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

17x7 med 4,5 backspacing skulle ikke være noe problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

17x7 med 4,5 backspacing foran (samme på Charger også) Bak ville jeg hatt 17x8.5 eller 17x9 med 5-5.5 backspacing. Husk E-body baksakslen er bredere enn på B-body. 17x10 er IKKE mulig uten å flytte bladfjerdene innover. Men det finnes konverteringsett for det. Les mere om dette på http://cuda-challenger.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jørgen Widing wrote:
Les mere om dette på http://cuda-challenger.com/


HeHe - det var der eg henta tipsa fra. Very Happy Lærerik side med aktive E-buddies. Når får vi det til i Norge??

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ja si det. Egentlig bare for oss å sette igang
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